Comments on: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/ To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities. Sun, 10 May 2009 15:56:58 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: proletariat http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-113 proletariat Mon, 02 Apr 2007 11:02:42 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-113 What facts are you talking about? Are you saying WHCPP doesn't have a better governing structure or WHP doesn't rely on competition in the hope of keeping costs down. What facts are you talking about? Are you saying WHCPP doesn’t have a better governing structure or WHP doesn’t rely on competition in the hope of keeping costs down.

]]> By: Dave Diamond http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-112 Dave Diamond Mon, 02 Apr 2007 02:26:35 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-112 Actually, it doesn't, but... Eh, it's pointless arguing with you. It's hard to respond to someone who doesn't actually argue the facts, but rather his mental caricature of a thing. Actually, it doesn’t, but…

Eh, it’s pointless arguing with you. It’s hard to respond to someone who doesn’t actually argue the facts, but rather his mental caricature of a thing.

]]> By: proletariat http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-111 proletariat Mon, 02 Apr 2007 01:45:58 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-111 Yes that is certainly a defect in both plans. I think its a given that everyone should be covered. Personally I think the WHCPP has a better governing structure in place. It acknowledges the waste of having a multitude of plans. WHP in contrast goes in the opposite direction, believing having more insurance plans will somehow reduce costs. Yes that is certainly a defect in both plans. I think its a given that everyone should be covered. Personally I think the WHCPP has a better governing structure in place. It acknowledges the waste of having a multitude of plans. WHP in contrast goes in the opposite direction, believing having more insurance plans will somehow reduce costs.

]]> By: Seth Zlotocha http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-110 Seth Zlotocha Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:55:56 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-110 Wow. How's that for timing. Wow. How’s that for timing.

]]> By: Seth Zlotocha http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-109 Seth Zlotocha Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:55:40 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-109 I'm not positive, but I think Dave was referring to the Wisconsin Health Care Partnership Plan, not the WHP. I’m not positive, but I think Dave was referring to the Wisconsin Health Care Partnership Plan, not the WHP.

]]> By: Dave Diamond http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-108 Dave Diamond Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:55:02 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-108 I was talking about the AFL-CIO plan, which only covers you if you're employed. I was talking about the AFL-CIO plan, which only covers you if you’re employed.

]]> By: proletariat http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-107 proletariat Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:23:11 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-107 It doesn't. When did I ever say it did? It Seth not me pushing this plan. From the concept paper, <blockquote>Participation: Who is Covered? The Wisconsin Health Plan covers all Wisconsin residents less than 65 years of age, with a few exceptions. The plan does not cover any person who: • has resided in Wisconsin less than six months (newborns with parents who have lived in Wisconsin for six months are covered); • claims residency in another state or jurisdiction for Wisconsin income tax purposes; • is institutionalized; • is an employee of the federal government; or • is eligible for Medicaid or BadgerCare (see more on this in the “Merging Programs” section below).</blockquote> It doesn’t. When did I ever say it did? It Seth not me pushing this plan. From the concept paper,

Participation: Who is Covered?
The Wisconsin Health Plan covers all Wisconsin residents less than 65 years of age, with a few
exceptions. The plan does not cover any person who:
• has resided in Wisconsin less than six months (newborns with parents who have lived in
Wisconsin for six months are covered);
• claims residency in another state or jurisdiction for Wisconsin income tax purposes;
• is institutionalized;
• is an employee of the federal government; or
• is eligible for Medicaid or BadgerCare (see more on this in the “Merging Programs”
section below).

]]> By: Dave Diamond http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-106 Dave Diamond Sun, 01 Apr 2007 18:21:28 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-106 One of these days, Nate, you're going to have to explain to me how a plan that discriminates against the unemployed and the disabled fits in with your pillar of social justice. One of these days, Nate, you’re going to have to explain to me how a plan that discriminates against the unemployed and the disabled fits in with your pillar of social justice.

]]> By: proletariat http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-104 proletariat Sun, 01 Apr 2007 11:24:53 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-104 Thanks. And its a good reminder never to do a swap with you. A plan that raises taxes on individuals and businesses and in turn you want to give a tax break to corporations which will in turn raise taxes paid by individuals and businesses. Thanks. And its a good reminder never to do a swap with you. A plan that raises taxes on individuals and businesses and in turn you want to give a tax break to corporations which will in turn raise taxes paid by individuals and businesses.

]]> By: Seth Zlotocha http://proletariat.wordpress.com/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-102 Seth Zlotocha Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:12:56 +0000 http://proletariat.nateweb.info/2007/03/30/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/#comment-102 Making up the neutral swap? Did you bother to read the sentence that preceded the one you cut-and-paste from the WHP concept paper above? Here it is in full: "As explained above, under the Wisconsin Health Plan proposal the state government no longer pays the $500 million GPR spent each year for family Medicaid and BadgerCare. The Wisconsin Health Plan <i>proposes to use THIS FUNDING</i> to cut the following taxes on Wisconsin businesses and individuals: • eliminate the personal property tax paid by businesses, • double the Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income workers, • phase out the corporate income tax." I put the pertinent part in italics and all caps for you. And I'd like you to point out one thing that I have made up, Nate, during any of our discussions. Any of them. Your use of the word "again" suggests I have a history of making things up. Tell me when. All of our discussions are online, it shouldn't be tough to find one, so have at it. It's absolutely amazing to me that you'd say I make things up when in the comments just above you discussed a state Medicaid deficit that doesn't exist. Just unbelievable. I knew engaging you on this was just going to result in you making this discussion about my supposed conservativism rather than the actual topic at hand. You can't defend the points you made in your post with solid evidence, so you turn to claiming that it's all about my ideology and values, or supposed lack thereof. Well done. Making up the neutral swap? Did you bother to read the sentence that preceded the one you cut-and-paste from the WHP concept paper above?

Here it is in full:

“As explained above, under the Wisconsin Health Plan proposal the state government no longer pays the $500 million GPR spent each year for family Medicaid and BadgerCare. The Wisconsin Health Plan proposes to use THIS FUNDING to cut the following taxes on Wisconsin businesses and individuals:
• eliminate the personal property tax paid by businesses,
• double the Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income workers,
• phase out the corporate income tax.”

I put the pertinent part in italics and all caps for you.

And I’d like you to point out one thing that I have made up, Nate, during any of our discussions. Any of them. Your use of the word “again” suggests I have a history of making things up. Tell me when. All of our discussions are online, it shouldn’t be tough to find one, so have at it.

It’s absolutely amazing to me that you’d say I make things up when in the comments just above you discussed a state Medicaid deficit that doesn’t exist. Just unbelievable.

I knew engaging you on this was just going to result in you making this discussion about my supposed conservativism rather than the actual topic at hand. You can’t defend the points you made in your post with solid evidence, so you turn to claiming that it’s all about my ideology and values, or supposed lack thereof. Well done.

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